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Let's Not Bash Catholicism--Or Any Other Religion

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selecter's picture
Submitted by selecter on

"Surely a non-Catholic can find something better to do with her time than complain about a religion that isn't even hers"

Non-Catholics have been subject to the judgement and rules of Catholicism (Inquisition anyone?) since it was made up hundreds of years after Jesus spread a pure and simple message of love. It has been added to by very Earthly men and twisted to serve everything from the rich, to Nazis, to homosexuals who still thrive in their hypocritical ranks (I'm not against Homosexuals, just hypocrites).

'The Catholic Church by its very nature must adhere to the law of God as expressed by the Bible and the Church fathers just as much as other religions of the Book. They can't say "we've decided not to obey these laws," and yet remain Catholic.'

Catholics pick and choose the rules they want to live by and ignore the Biblical ones that are actually quite immoral, stoned any homosexuals or adulteres to death lately? Its in the Good Book you must adhere to, right?  The 'choosing' of rules is akin to abandonment of faith, the innevitable end to be reached in a few generations when the whole book will follow the absurd and disgusting scripture and the 'quaint', if not completely illogical, stories of Noah and his Ark and others that are already tossed aside for sanity's sake.

Differentiating between whether one masturbates as a married person or whether I'm going to Hell for having had premarital sex or with my wife just for fun is a landmine of illogical nonsense I am glad I don't have to navigate. STDs suck, avoid them with logic, they aren't magic. Pregnancies have a time and place, plan for them. Instead of telling kids to avoid sex and that they will go to Hell, just tell them they'll get herpes, or go to the prom pregnant, that should scare them enough. No fairytales, no lies, just the truth for your little human. If you take the 'sin' out of it, you can clearly see it is a disease that preys on humans and it is easily avoidable with KNOWLEDGE.

Perhaps the writer should cross her ps and qs a little better for respect of facts but Catholicism is excellent at spilling over its walls, so take a shot with grace, in the name of the One True Faith. The rest of us try to deal with you and your judgements (or lectures about the careful delineations of what are and aren't sins).

 

lisala's picture
Submitted by lisala on

This is a specious response. If you're not a Catholic, why concern yourself with their rules? You don't have to follow them. They don't even affect you.

I note however, regarding the "Catholics pick and choose the rules they want to live by and ignore the Biblical ones that are actually quite immoral"--that's Old Testament stuff—and no, it's not applicable to Catholics, or a number of other Christian denominations. You might be able to legitimate that arguement with some Prostestant sects, but it's not going to work for Catholicism.

Again, if it's not a religion you favor, don't be a bigot.

And, by the way, I'm not Catholic. I don't even identify as Christian. But I'd rather see a modicum of accuracy, and a lot less malice.

Anonymous's picture
Submitted by Anonymous on

There are constant election and court cases going on attempting to outlaw gay marriage.  Gays are forbidden from adopting children in many states.  I can't buy beer on a Sunday.  Some health plans refuse to provide birth control.  

I'm perfectly happy not practicing religion - but I care about religion because the religious have thousands of years of history of trying to force their laws on everyone else.  

Also, it appears you are a woman.  The Bible - and this is New Testament - tells you to be quiet, so get following!

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Submitted by Anonymous on

I didn't intend it malicious and was mostly inspired by another article that I read on another site. As a non-Catholic, I'm sorry if I misinterpreted anything that was written. As you know, the net isn't always the best source of information. -B

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Submitted by becksta on

At first I read that masturbation was a mortal sin, http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=243471 but there seems it doesn't seem to be that clear as some are viewing it as a venial sin. http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00BDMw My intention wasn't so much to criticize Catholicism as it was to imagine a life growing up with the idea that something such as homosexuality or masturbation could be considered shameful.

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Submitted by selecter on

I objected to this blog because it asserts that religion is this harmless cultural vestige left over from a quainter time and we should let it be. Religion is what directly led to the denial of rights for gays in California (LDS). Just one example of religion being aggressive and affecting the lives of those outside its belief system. I agree that outright bashing is not needed, but criticism is fair and needed.

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Submitted by lisala on

Nowhere do I assert that "religion is this harmless cultural vestige." My point, which seem to have been missed entirely, is that there's little value in a poorly informed non-Catholic bashing Catholics for obeying what they genuinely believe are the requirements of God--particularly when Catholics are not the ones typically waving signs saying "God Hates Fags." That's almost entirely a Protestant pastime, and a rather far right kind of Protestantism, at that.

Frankly, as a queer, I'm tired of straight people arguing against Christianity as anti-queer. Pretty much every religion, including Hinduism, Buddism, various Christian sects, Islam, Judaism, views homosexuality as undesirable, wrong, or an abomination because of prohibitions about sexual behaviors--behaviors, by the way, that are also forbidden to heterosexuals. I don't agree with them, but then I'm not practicing any of those faiths, either.

Regarding Proposition 8, yes, a lot of out of state funding came from  the LDS. More than any other single trackable group. However, not only did the LDS actively campaign for a Yes vote, so did a passel of other religions, including the Eastern Orthodox Christians, the Orthodox Jews, large numbers of Evangelical Christians, and various right-wing Protestant groups.

I think rather than blaming Christians, who are attempting to follow their religious beliefs, it makes more sense to ask where were all these outraged straight people when we were trying to campaign against Proposition 8? In fact, where was the queer community? Our fund raising efforts were a lot more successful for Pride parades, than for voting No on Prop 8.

Frankly, I don't think the more obscure religious groups were the problem. I think the fact that a No vote meant "yes, let same sex marriages have the same rights as heterosexual marriages" confused people who really didn't much care either way; they weren't particularly religious, and they weren't queer.

I also think a lot of Christians thought that a No vote meant the State would interfere with religious / church weddings and beliefs, when all it meant was that the marriage license, which is always conferred by the state, would give the same legal rights to same sex couples.

Which is all a No vote would have meant. And pointing a finger at the Catholic church in terms of Prop 8 is particularly daft, given that they only marriage they care about is marriage as a Catholic sacrament--and that has nothing, at all, to do with Prop 8 or any civil law.

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